DIALOG -19
DIALOG -19
DIALOG -17
MASTER : So you have decided to 'Be' and not ‘Become’ anymore?
Yes decided to BE.
Then BECOME happens.
MASTER: But to 'Be' is out of no choice? Is it a forceful desperate move or a hard decision or a natural happening?
To BE is natural.
MASTER: In your case I mean.
No it’s not desperate or forceful, but slipping naturally, the awareness that I am a human being and life is happening through me !
MASTER : Ok. Does it leave you with matters unsettled of future and past? If yes, explain how?
Just now there is no unsettled past or future.
MASTER: You mean you are not sure if this state would remain for long and can slip out anytime?
Yes, I’m not sure because only when I get triggered of something I slip and I become aware of it too.
MASTER : Of slipping in or out?
Yes, of the present moment, slipping out of the NOW.
MASTER: Then it is clear that you can be easily pushed out? Out of the 'BE' state.
Only because I'm not sure if all the blocks are removed.
MASTER : One can’t be dreaming of being in the BEING without anyone making an entry from the past. .
May I know what does that mean?
MASTER: You answer my earlier questions then we will come to this point.
Once truly in the BEING there is no slipping out.If I’m not sure then I’m not in the being but only dreaming of being in the being?
MASTER : Exactly ! What are the things significantly different from being and becoming, in your understanding?
Being is anchored in the NOW, becoming is of the future.
MASTER : If no one triggered you, you may choose to remain in the Being, Is that Correct?
Yes with awareness it’s possible to stay anchored to the now.
MASTER : Finally you point the finger at situations or circumstances for pushing you out of your BEING and not bringing you there.?
I know all the situations are only aligning me !
MASTER: If you realize that your 'BEING' can be rattled easily, and that you should get even more steadied,than to point a finger at some thing else responsible for your slipping out,then probably you miss the point..
Yes Master, its about “ being aware of the BEING”, being there naturally, accepting all the changes outside.But why I can't sustain it always? Why I should slip ?
MASTER: Yes, Something can be 'triggered' only if it is already there. Cannot trigger what is not there. So do you want to sustain everything under carpet and imagine that you are doing great?
No, definitely not.
MASTER: Do you want to blame because some situation exposed the dust beneath carpet?
Want to get the dust beneath completely out !
MASTER : That’s precisely what I have been trying to say all the time. Till the day you see people only from the present, and not from the past, be assured that there is dust beneath and your BEING can go for a toss.
Yes, that’s true, need to do that, when there is no interaction with a person after some bitter past event,then when I see the person in the present and not interacting in the present, then only the past events linger, because what changes have happened in between is not seen.
MASTER : In a way mind is refusing to see the changes that happened,because it is strongly stuck up with the past, still it wants to believe it is in the Being.
Yes, the changes are happening but mind is stuck up in the past and not seeing the changes happening !
MASTER : It is far more dangerous to imagine oneself to be in the Being while actually the mind is struggling to settle scores with the past distant events.
Yes, I’m becoming aware of that now.
MASTER: Even if the other person see you from the past, you still cannot afford to do the same.In fact, the best way to conquer an enemy is not to see him/her from the past but from ONLY the present, and that is such a potent weapon which can destroy not the enemy but the enmity totally. Then the enemy turns as a friend and a lover.
True Master, I should see the person in the present only !
MASTER : There is no need to compromise or console or sort out but just fresh and straight from this moment without any load of the past.
Master, have to work on this one !
MASTER : let us see. Go ahead !
I’m still watching, which are all the areas I’m insecure.
MASTER: And strengthen those areas? So that you don’t feel insecure?
Yes, I’m strengthening those areas, by not giving value to it but being aware that these are the areas that make me insecure.
MASTER: Instead of watching which areas, you should ask why this insecurity happens.
I should question it?
MASTER: You need to ask the origin of insecurity, you need to question from where it starts and how and by what means it is sustained.
Just the belief system that was embedded that life is about maintaining security which means it is sustained by constantly doing things to fulfill that, whether it is in relationships or money or a place.
MASTER: It is the belief of a particular lifestyle against which the security is sought and when things don’t happen or seem to not happen then there seem to be insecurity.
Yes. not to give value to that idea of security, not to keep insecurity as the central theme of life but accept that every thing just happens just the way it should and this I need to keep reminding myself.
MASTER: Need not be. Only due dates and deadlines need reminders, but this one needs only clarity, when there is clarity as a result of contemplation then there is no need for a reminder.
Yes, I understand now.
MASTER.: The reminder is only when it is not your own understanding but just an information from outside but when the knowledge about security or insecurity is your own then there is no need for reminders.
Yes to make it my own understanding.
MASTER: Even that needs no reminder but only an urge to free oneself is required.
That’s true the mind can relax and settle in the NOW. I mean the mind relaxes and settles in the now.
MASTER : You always seem to know what is right but just the application is missing at times..
Yes, I have been trying to bring it to the NOW whenever there was awareness but now it seems to happen naturally.
MASTER: Trying to settle down in the present is not the way to start with, but to remove all the strings first from the past and future and then settling in the present is automatic.
Master what does removing the strings involve?
MASTER: To accept the way it has gone so far as the natural way and to accept what is in store as the natural way in future.
Yes Master, then the taking responsibility is dropped.
MASTER : Rather the idea of getting past mistakes corrected or regretting the past or missing the past etc is dropped, because you tie a string to something only to control that particular thing in life. You keep tying up strings with people and incidents or events hoping to pull them in a direction you think is right. It gives you some sense of security.
String is a connecting idea ?
MASTER : Yes, also controlling !
The mind thinks it has to control, but now mind has to be in tune?
MASTER: Yes, control seems to give security but always it ends in tragedy. But being in tune appears as insecurity but that actually ends in freedom.
OK, this is an idea too master?
MASTER : Yes, because it is not yet an experience, till then its an idea.
Then in life, everything just goes on?
MASTER : What else you think? Still your hand opens the tap for water and still your mouth has to open to eat and, because the fallacy in understanding will be if everything happens on its own then why I should do anything?
No, still doing what ever has to be done.
MASTER : Things happen but they happen through you, the fallacy is to think that you are making it happen.
Yes, that was the thought always.
MASTER : That’s the trick of the mind to imagine itself that it is the source and the supreme boss of everything that happens to self .
The mind always imagined that it was the source and thought it was the doer.
MASTER : True !
Now the mind realizes its not the doer and the source is elsewhere, the source is the doer?
MASTER: Mind is the doer with the help of body but that which makes the mind to do is elsewhere lying quietly. Like the bulb imagining after a few days of burning that it burns by itself, but the electricity is quiet and hidden.
That which is lying quietly how it can be experienced?
MASTER : Experience is an idea again but experiencing the hidden self is not possible only because it is not a thing to experienced .
Just know that its there?
MASTER : Realize
Realize?
MASTER : That it is there.
Realize that the source is there, is an idea, if not then its an experience?
MASTER : The experience is there but it is not the experience of the hidden self. It is the experience of the free mind, after the realization that the mind now is no more the grumpy one it used to be, it is more fluid and free and not rigid and defined, and as a result there is an experience of being light and free, which is not to be mistaken to be the experience of the hidden self .
The mind realizing that there is no need to control and is a free mind, and becomes more fluid so its experience is light and relaxed, the experience is of the mind only but the actions are from the source. The mind realizes that there is a source and it need not take control and can just relax as everything is happening already just the way it should only I did not realize it .The mind thought that it was making or had to make it happen, this is the self realization. Just the mind realizes that everything was a man made idea and now realizes it just needs to sit down quietly and just be.
MASTER: Very good mind does not experience the hidden self but only realizes that it is not the boss but the boss is still deeper at the back.
What do you mean by back?
MASTER : Because if you consider eyes looking to the front then mind is at the back of it and if mind is looking front then the consciousness is at the back of it .It is just a hypothesis...
Yes I remember the Pancha Koshas.
MASTER: Yes
OK, it’s clear Master.
MASTER: Read the posts again with this new understanding it would make a lot more sense.
Yes master, I would read it again with this new understanding.
I’m feeling insecure and don’t know what I should do.
MASTER: First of all it should be clear whether
1. Life is about looking for security, or
2. To go beyond the need for security.
Which means whether you look for it from outside or inside it does not matter.
Oh! Security is not a need?
MASTER: The need for security itself is questionable because the basic question will be security from what?
Can’t answer that, don’t know Master.
MASTER: 1. Seeking security is ignorance.
2. Seeking without knowing why, is deeper ignorance. However, is life all about fulfilling the ignorant ideas? Like security and happiness through certain relationships etc? As we were made to believe?
Security gives stability is my belief.
MASTER: Where there is security around it’s a sign of insecurity being protected. Like the VIPs the more they are insecure, the highest security is required, and the stability that comes from security cannot be stable because the security guards keep changing or sometimes that which you think secures will attack also.
Yes, I realize that now what secures can also cause insecurity.
MASTER: Like how Indira Gandhi was shot dead by her own security people like a police man raping woman (very common in this country) which means whatever security felt which brings stability cannot be appreciated and is totally against spirituality.
Stability comes from insecurity?
MASTER: That’s still holding on to security you want to keep security as the central theme in life which is in itself wrong. Security or insecurity both are very narrow ideas of a very limited mind.
Two sides of the same coin. Then what is life about?
MASTER: In other words security as the parameter to decide about your life as happy or not. Security becomes a need only when you are afraid of your ideas about life, when they don’t become true you feel insecure .As long as the norms of life is somewhere met you feel safe and secure.
What are the norms of life?
MASTER: Like a loving husband - obedient child - weekend gatherings - good house to live – etc
Yes, that’s so true.
MASTER: But that’s going to be living side by side with the hidden fears of what would happen if anyone of those factors missing. Or, in fact what if really one of those factors suddenly missed?
Yes, that fear also exists of loosing what gives security.
MASTER: So all happy people who live in security right now of a great happy life have these fears always lurking inside and such a life is called as 'Bondage'.
So life is just lived. Everything is just an idea.?
MASTER : Yes ALL of them and when ideas are constantly entertained then it becomes beliefs and when beliefs are stuck on to you then beliefs become the way of life and that’s how you see the billions of people around the world running for security all the time, and still feeling insecure.
So when the mind is empty fully then it has no such ideas and life is just lived?
MASTER: Mind need not empty itself of ideas but just know that these ideas are man made and be aware that such ideas have been fed from the time you were born so they may continue to hang around and its good because at least for others sake you should know what it is all about even though it may not mean anything to you..
Yes, Master.
MASTER: That is how i deal with all these security and insecurity aspects because i know what it means to the world and people but i do not like to entertain personally speaking, i like to pay attention in fact provide security to many in words and assurance.“everything is going to be alright, don't be afraid etc" but myself not seeking security of a job or relationship or anything only because my understanding is clear that the need for security is just an idea and in fact the successful Guru is he who make everyone feel secured that’s what makes him special and 'powerful' and popular too but as long as he is keeping under security cover spread by him he is only keeping them in ignorancebut the true spiritual knowledge is where the idea of security itself is thrown off to the dustbin and that’s only when you can think of any spiritual enlightenment. An end to life's all forms of misery.
Grateful to you Master.
MASTER: They should not be just words and you should know if you really mean it because it should come when there is a clear understanding happened and not as a reply for something complicating true but cannot be practiced, because i have heard such grateful thing from many people who just belt it out simply when they did no know what to say..
No, it’s not that way Master a shift has happened. It needs some application it’s a relief.
MASTER: Yes, you will breathe so free and feel so good far better than the secured feeling.
Yes, I feel so free.
MASTER : Its like feeling good with the security guards as you go for shopping like the VIPs or just take a walk on your own and do the shopping both parties can feel good but the sense of freedom does not belonged to the secured goodness.
Right now i feel the breathe flowing freely and can’t think of any other feeling.
MASTER: That’s about it, its not that you don’t care about security that’s wrong thing again because still the security factor remains and just that you don’t care... there are many such people living out there who appear carefree and don’t bother about security.Which means in their minds security is still a meaningful concept but just that they don’t care and usually people who claim such things will be either well placed or totally displaced but security is a matter of concern only for those who live in the middle neither this extreme of having nothing to lose nor having enough to last several lifetimes but in between .The majority is always running for security covers but the point is it is not rejecting security but it is understanding the idea called security that IT DOES NOT EXIST...
Not rejecting security and understanding the idea called security. “Not existing” seems contradictory I am not clear on this.
MASTER: Rejecting security is to mean that one is not afraid of being insecure which means the person still gives value to the idea called security but understanding the security concept as man made and that it exists in human life and everyone is after that and such a thing is just an idea only and not a reality and this understanding is not rejection.
Know that it exist but not be bound by it.
MASTER: Know that it exists but do not give value to it like so many stupid ideologies that exists amidst us.
Ok, not giving any value to it.
MASTER: We know its stupid thing but still as if following it but deep inside it’s only a joke and not given any importance...but this one is a serious idea so it seem to haunt deeper.
Yes, very true that’s exactly what i was thinking Master, whole
MASTER: It’s just the innate need to keep things under control when you know house is locked and the car is parked and lights are off then it gives you a feeling of having control Over your life that gives a secure feeling and that’s what we finally come to think of as happiness in life...
Yes, that’s what’s been going on.
MASTER: Children studying well husband brings money and relationships are admiringly looking and the neighborhood is quite respecting etc all these are the necessary ingredients of “security’.
Yes, Very true for very long i believed that.
MASTER: Even now bits and pieces of it are left hanging around inside you.
Yes, Master.
MASTER: But the gross mind immediately jumps to the other extreme saying ok i don’t care anymore for security i like to live without any security so i don’t shut the door or lock the car or do not bother to buy groceries for the next week and don’t bother to work.Nor i do that because the rest of the world believes in it then he is doomed too both ways to seek security and also to seek to be insecure can cause bondage the freedom comes from rising above the need for security that can happen with the following,
1. Asking a question what security mean to you?
2. How do you get it?
3. Will you remain secure forever if you get it?
4. What will happen if that disappears someday? Etc
Then ask again
1. What am i trying to secure me from?
2. What am i trying to secure for?
3. What it is to be insecure?
What happens in insecurity? can I face it ever in my life fully? because you must have only got indications of insecurity but never insecure at this moment because insecurity is always with reference to future only and never TO THE MOMENT so despite my screaming down CD after CD still the mind can always loiter in to the insecure future ..
If I’m insecure i could be insecure in the moment. A particular situation caused insecurity which happened in the past. Is it not?
MASTER: Never you cannot feel insecure for what is happening in the moment but only for something that might happen in future or happened in the past...It is usually how i am going to deal with this kind of moment. Like right now you could be the most secured person in the whole of India with a nice place to live and all the space and time than running to some job somewhere but doing what you probably like being creative and without too much of bickering relationships etc with sufficient money in the bank to live and car to drive etc but still you can comfortably feel insecure ,where as the millions that you may see on the roads without a basic means for a decent living may not feel as much as you do.
Yes, Master having all I still feel insecure.
MASTER: The fellow waiting in the bus stop with 5 rupee note in the pocket security comes if he could reach home within that money.
It’s just doing things without the feeling of security driving the action.
MASTER: Yes, because you have nothing to protect yourself from or protect yourself for what happens happens it’s been happening all the time.
Yes, only i thought i had some control over it.
MASTER : Yes, that control is what they call happiness even now everything can appear to be under control to some people but they are just fooling themselves so life goes on this way and there is neither security nor insecurity possible because the idea is man made it exists but not really, which means you would live a life of security and do all that it takes to be secure so that people consider you to be normal but not getting obsessed with it and not banking on security for a life full of happiness. But just adapting to it and not getting gripped by it that’s where the awareness comes to help why i keep insisting on awareness is for that to be aware of the ideas and not become a victim to them that brings a balance and stability in life.
Awareness that the idea of security is strong in the world and in order to appear normal to the world i would live as though making myself secure but deep within i know that there is no such concept actually.
MASTER: That such a concept is not real. It is not real and everything just happens. The concept is real but the credibility of the concept is not real.
It's real to the world but for me i don’t give it credibility.
MASTER: Yes, you are neither for it nor against it because it simply does not exist to you.
Yes, but i need to be aware of how real it is to the world.
MASTER: That indeed you know very well.
Yes, Master.
MASTER: You need to be aware, how much of this concept is influencing you.
Yes, that’s true, how much I’m influenced by it.
MASTER: Option no. 1. To live in security and feel terribly insecure inside about future.
Option no 2. To live as if not bothered about security but always secretly demanding it.
Option no 3. Living in security and hoping it would remain just that way.
Option no 4. Living in insecurity and hoping it would get alright someday.
Option no 5. Despite all security feeling terribly insecure for no reason.
All of these variations are what people usually choose, but if you are truly spiritual then
you have the best option and that is to rise above the idea called security. With clear understanding no one can protect anyone or no one can destroy anyone. Whatever protection or destruction is happening just the way it is meant to be.
Yes, Master i understand that everything happens.
MASTER: But the spiritual gurus don’t have the guts to say that instead they project themselves as saviors and that’s what people want. They go to a guru wanting some shield of protection for oneself and for the family and the guru is too willing to provide the cover and make them feel 'happy'.
Yes, that is what is happening everywhere.
MASTER : They expect me to do the same i have done that too but every time i bring the topic of rising above insecurity then it appears i am driving them to feel insecure or i reject them which means there are only two options left for a guru,
1.Make an attempt at telling people not to bank on him or anyone for security (which is the truth) but very soon they will call him a selfish guru and run to someone else.
2. To promise everyone that he would take care of them not only this life time.
but for the next seven lives then he is a good and powerful guru and people are grateful and dedicate all their lives for the service. To talk about Truth is the greatest curse for a guru and to tell lies and maintain them all then life seem to be the greatest divine grace bestowed on the guru.
Yes, Master I see that.
MASTER: Still worse they would suspect a guru who says don’t hang around for security as someone not doing his job and to tell someone that the inner strength and clarity from within will drive away such fears of insecurity makes them immediately suspect that "this guru can’t do anything" forgetting he is the one who gave the knowledge of the strength from within but glorify him endlessly as long as he said " I am taking care of your life and supplying strength all the time ".
People don’t want to make an effort they want everything easy is it like that?
MASTER: Revere the guru as long as he 'protected' him and reject the guru when he said ' freedom lied within you and not from me ' and people don’t want to make an effort.It is true and if you carefully observe that’s the root cause for security seeking also that instead of resting on one's own self we decide to bank on so many factors around for security which is also the same dependency on the world to make me feel secured. It is not any different from expecting and depending on the guru to find protection instead finding the ways to freedom and liberation...
Yes, understanding that one has to find it within and the guru can only show the way.
MASTER: Not guru can only show the way but Guru should only show the way even the statement guru 'can only show the way' tells the dejection from the disciple that he expected total protection and now come to know this truth and the next step is to throw that guru out side the window because he taught the truth and refused to accept the savior role..
They reject the guru cause he didn’t promise porection?
MASTER: If the guru is of no use for self protection and if the guru keeps repeatingthat everything is within you then they come to a conclusion that if everything is within me why do we need you? So get lost... this is one weird behavior of people that most gurus tell that they will protect and sustain their lives the people are so selfish and they go to a guru and glorify the guru not because the guru is great but because he can protect them and if they know he cannot protect (even if he is showing the path to freedom) then they will not hesitate to denounce him.
They don’t want the truth but protection?
MASTER : For example they will remove all the pictures in their house of the guru because hanging the guru's picture is only to supply protection and perform miracles.
Ok, they are looking for miracles only and not the truth.
MASTER: They can never see the pictures of the guru as a reminder of what he taught when one sees the picture of the guru he should be reminded of the teachings of the guru than looking for some vibhooti in the picture.
MASTER: What is that question you were asking last on consciousness, which was stopped half way through?
What is the role of the mind and the intellect in realization? To realize the self, do we use the intellect?
MASTER: Intellect is used everywhere every time.
MASTER: Yes, mind suggests based on emotions and intellect analyses the suggestions and then decides.
Awareness of the mind and the intellect is SELF ?
MASTER: By the self, yes. But you should remember that self (consciousness) is not aware of something else. It is not even aware of it because it is awareness ITSELF.
Awareness to the awareness?
MASTER : Like sun cannot heat up itself, because it is the source of heat, and sun does not plan to heat up this earth but earth draws the heat from sun.
That’s easy to understand .
MASTER: So also the consciousness is awareness itself, and is not aware OF something else but mind draws its ability to be aware from the self...
When i'm aware of the mind and the intellect that awareness is consciousness itself ?
MASTER : Not exactly!
Oh ! then what exactly it is?
MASTER :Mind is aware of itself and the intellect with the help of the consciousness at the background .
When i say i am aware of the emotions then the i here is awareness and the emotions are the mind when i say i’m aware of the intellect i is the awareness and the decision is the intellect? This awareness is the backdrop? Recognizing the awareness factor?
MASTER: Yes, basically the PURE consciousness is not in need to be aware of ANYTHING BECAUSE IT IS AWARENESS ITSELF but the mind is trying to be aware of many things like heat and cold, love and hatred and good and bad etc and mind has this awareness ability due to consciousness so the mind is constantly aware of so many things from the time it wakes up, like what time is it now, what day, month, year ,season, the plans for the day the past incidents, the regrets, guilt, fear, jealousy everything but during meditation it is coming face to face with the things it is aware of by itself.
No, i didn't understand the last line - it is coming face to face with the things it is aware of by itself.
Mind is aware of things outside and is aware of the mind but is not aware of the awareness of the mind.
MASTER : Usually Yes, but in meditation it can become aware of the fact that it can be aware.
Ok, I get it . The mind is supported by the consciousness and in mediation awareness of the consciousness happens.
MASTER : Yes and when Mind stops being aware OF other things Including itself and just remains then it becomes AWARENESS itself. That is the state of consciousness.
This needs some conscious effort !
MASTER : When the mind recognized the fact that there is something more powerful is driving the mind to be aware then it is lot more easier.
Right now it feels a bit strenuous.
MASTER : May be because mind is used to the fact that it always believed itself to be the final authority.
Yes, Now to recognize the awareness.
MASTER : So the mind will throw all tantrums when it has to hand over the credit to consciousness it would exercise its own powers of delusion, Illusion, and confusion so that the focus is shifted again and the consciousness is forgotten...
Already I feel the resistance a strain.
MASTER : Sometimes fear will grip .It’s the fear of losing all the dreams and desires secretly nurtured by the mind hoping that the mind is capable of fulfilling them but when the mind realizes that there is consciousness and without it nothing happens Then it starts to revolt...
Revolt as in resistance?
MASTER: Yes, all the same but it’s ok because slowly it gives up the grip, and it cannot be expected to give up its grip suddenly. When the mind knows well that to recognize the presence of consciousness (greater power) is for its betterment only and it is not detrimental to itself then it will not resist...
Ok , I need to work on this thought.
MASTER : Because mind thinks that it is the end of its own life when the realization of consciousness happened so it panics itself but it should know that to recognize, to realize and to reunite with consciousness is to only empower the mind with more things and it DOES NOT MEAN DEATH.
I don’t understand re unite .
MASTER : Mind was not able to recognize the presence of consciousness, only because the consciousness is always hidden in the mind itself. That’s some kind of unitedness but mind was ignorant about that unitedness (or oneness) but now after recognizing the presence of consciousness hidden inside the mind as though reunites with the consciousness with full knowledge and Awareness. The re union is a symbolic statement but the fact is mind and consciousness have never been separate, only difference is earlier mind thought consciousness is somewhere else and now it knows that it is hidden within then it becomes ONE again which is like a
Earlier mind was searching outside and settling outside in the world now it knows that what it is searching is the consciousness and will settle within.
MASTER : YES, the indication for such settling is when the mind becomes silent and still and not nagging Or fearing Or doubting Or anything it has been doing all the time but remains naturally quiet and content.
In other words all the rattling will stop.
MASTER : TRUE
OK ! Got it master!
MASTER : Good, contemplate more on these lines we will get back again.

